So Apparently, Mitt Romney Won Some States On Tuesday
Written by Mockarena // March 1, 2012 // The Makeover And/Or Miscellaneous // 62 Comments
I know that there are three other candidates still in the race, y’all, but I just needed to get something off my chest here, even though it’s entirely likely that it’ll anger a bunch of you and generate some really mean comments towards me.
That’s ok. I’ve developed a relatively thick skin over the past couple of years.
Anyway, I just thought I’d tell you all that I think Romney is probably going to be the GOP nominee, and I have sort of made my peace with that. NOT BECAUSE I AM ENDORSING HIM, mind you. I’m not endorsing anyone, because I think the field sucks giant monkey balls. The reason I’m telling you that I think Romney is going to be the nominee, is because I’m FREAKING SICK of this primary season, and I just want us to all rally around the eventual nominee and just STOP THE IN-FIGHTING. I can’t take it anymore. Each candidate, and their respective supporters, have RIPPED EACH OTHER TO SHREDS to the extent that the eventual nominee will be weaker for it.
Listen – I totally empathize with those of you who are all, “Mitt Romney is just Obama-lite.” I get that. I really do. But the fact remains that regardless of how Obama-lite Romney is, HE IS BETTER THAN OBAMA. And when I hear people say that they’d sooner NOT VOTE than vote for Romney, it makes me crazy. Even if you think the GOP candidate sucks giant monkey balls, we STILL need to send a message to Obama that WE DON’T SUPPORT HIM. And voting for his opponent, regardless of how sucky he might be, is the only way we have of really DOING that.
If it were Santorum or Gingrich, or even Ron Paul who had the momentum right now, I would be saying the same thing. I don’t like any of them, but they are ALL better than what we’ve got. And we need to keep our eye on the prize, y’all. We need to get rid of what we’ve got, even if the alternative is only slightly better. Better is better, no matter how slight.
Let’s rally. Let’s kick some Obama administration ass this fall.
Who’s with me?
62 Comments on "So Apparently, Mitt Romney Won Some States On Tuesday"
I’m with you sister! Do I want Romney as our next president? Nope. But I want another Obama term even less (times a million). My hubs is one of those people who keeps saying he’d rather not vote than vote for Romney and I keep telling him every non-vote is a vote for Obama. “Better is better, no matter how slight.” Amen.
Mock…I TOTALLY understand how you feel. But let me pose this question: When exactly is the RNC going to take one giant step back and see that the conservative base is SICK AND TIRED OF HOLDING THEIR NOSE TO VOTE FOR A CANDIDATE? If the RNC, once again, picks the candidate (and I think we all know they have), then our current primary process is monkey poo.
This has become a SERIOUS problem and while I absolutely GET that we need Obama out of office, putting someone IN office who will also run us off the cliff, just not at mach speed is not a good idea EITHER.
Whether you’re going 100 miles/ hour or 50 miles/hour, the second you’re off the cliff, the end result will be the same.
It’s because the MEDIA is even pushing for Romney. Why do we even bother with these Caucuses? Primary? Romney has been “picked’ since before all of this. We don’t get a choice. Personally, my vote is for Santorum.
I took that silly ABC Presidential pick test and ended up with Santorum, Bachmann, then Romney. I have made it pretty clear from the beginning not to engage into fighting about the GOP candidates (except for Paul, because I think he is the “crazy” choice – in my opinion)
And to be clear, I will hold my nose. Again. AND I will have lost ALL faith in this process.
I don’t disagree at all, Carolyn! I hate the choice, but it’s still a clear choice. And in the meantime, we keep on supporting folks like Mia Love and others who GET IT, and get them elected as often as we can.
Mock, You are preaching to the choir. I think most Republicans feel the same way, except that group of Newt-onian friends of mine. The GOP is ‘cutting their nose off to spite their face’ by not opening up to someone—anyone–new, someone who hasn’t run before, someone who is young and will appeal to everyone. The GOP is the party of old white men because it is essentially run by old white men. Until that changes we will all have to hold our noses when we step up to the voting machine. Sigh.
I disagree. I think the eventual nominee will be stronger for it. I just hate to see Mitt McCain take this thing. I don’t think he can beat BO.
So I am so in agreement with everything you said. I cringe at the candidates the GOP has put forth this year, and at the same time I wish I could smack the people who chose these guys. (I admit to being just a wee bit cranky with those who are sitting it out here in 2012-Daniels, Ryan, Rubio) Of course I usually agree with just about everything on this site. BTW-you guys bring to the table some of the same stuff Andrew Breitbart did. To paraphrase a Huey Lewis song of many years ago….you make it hip to be square. COTR and Breitbart both demonstrate to anyone who is paying attention that we on the right ARE NOT all old, fuddy-duddy rich white men, that strong women, working mothers, fashionistas and hip long hair California former radicals are all welcome here on the right also. Personally, I am a little of all of those. The only thing really required for admission to the right…….is a brain.
Agreed. I am so tired of the debates, caucases and the fighting. It’s time to rally around the chosen one and come together to send the current admin, packing. As far as sending the RNC a message, it seems to me that we have to start at the bottom, rather than the top. Conservatives as a whole should be doing more to get our candidates in at a lower lever, rather than waiting to have a say in the ‘top dog’, if you will.
Mock I am in the same boat as you with a slightly different angle.
I am looking desperately for a reason to want to vote for Mitt Romney. That is why I still watch the debates. That is why I watch EVERY SINGLE INTERVIEW. That is why I read every single article on him I can get my hands on. I don’t have my head in the sand either. But I will stay home if he is the nominee. I see no reason to send thousands of my dollars to Sacramento when I can claim Texas as a tax shelter for a few more years as long as I don’t vote, when let’s face it Ca is going Obama anyway. If I thought Mitt Romney was HALF as electable as he claims he is I’d take the risk. But he won’t risk saying what he believes on television or in a debate and directs people to his website just like 0bama, so I won’t risk my tax status for him. It’s that simple.
Winning over the base would be SO EASY for Romney to do. People got out and voted for Newt in South Carolina because he conveyed the Conservative message in a debate. People got out and voted for a Rick Santorum hat trick because he got out and conveyed the Conservative message. Mitt’s last chance to do that has almost passed and he is unwilling to do more but attack his rivals. My best advice for him is to be real, be Conservative, and just lay it on the line, because otherwise the base WILL NOT VOTE. Voting against Bush didn’t work in the 04 election nor has it worked in 08 or any election so it stands to reason that it won’t work now.
Not hatin’ just saying that I am so disgusted with Mittens that I just want him to go away.
I understand this sentiment completely, and I do agree that all the Republican candidates “suck giant monkey balls.” lol
Here is the conclusion I have come to with Mitt, I think he is the most pragmatic of the bunch. Given the extent of SGMB -ness of the field, this is to the GOP’s advantage. Since there is not a single candidate who is espousing a true TEA (taxed enough already) party, Constitutional Conservative, government reducing, agenda – other than RP who has other problems – he is exactly what is needed for the R’s not to go down in flames this cycle and perhaps permanently .
He won’t frighten/turn ALL the Independents and Reagan Dems (if they still exist) off and none but the most socially conservative, single issue voter would sit on their hands just because he is the nominee rather than take the opportunity to vote AGAINST Barack.
Since they haven’t put up a principled “TEA (taxed enough already) party, Constitutional Conservative, government reducing, agenda – other than RP who has other problems – candidate” The best that can be done is to choose a man that won’t be a road block to the TEA party types in the House and Senate.
This is where the difference will be made in this cycle, not the Presidency, there is where we need to devote all our energy to get the most bang for our buck.
Unless Gary Johnson gets the LP nod. If he does, that is where my vote is going. I much prefer principle over pragmatism.
As far as a bloody primary, I actually think the ‘infighting’ is a good thing. Much better to vet them and bare their warts to the sun ourselves than have the D’s be able to surprise us with something.
We need to know exactly who we are electing, if they can hang outside the party faithful as well as inside it. If they are going to break easily because of a hidden crack, better to go on and break them early before we decide to rely on them.
They totally blew off my favorite and he was polling ahead of santorum, But now I will vote for him as a third party candidate. I live in the blue state where he was a 2 term GOP gov and one of the most supported, but thats not good enough for the RNC. Go Gary!
Mock…this just came across my mailbox shortly after you posted. I thought it was an interesting piece on what we are seeing:
A Tricky Twisty Primary Process
Personally, I am looking for a good, old fashioned floor fight. I am voting on Super Tuesday and Santorum is getting my vote. If all conservatives had departed from Newt and joined Santorum, he would have completely won Michigan and would be on his way to the nomination. But, alas, it does not appear to be the case.
I will not support Romney in these primaries. He is not the best candidate, and I fear that he will change from being Darth Vader in the primaries to Mr. Rogers in the general. If Santorum cannot take it all, then perhaps Newt can win in Georgia and a couple other Southern states and we truly will go into the convention with no winner. To me, that’s much better than what Mock is suggesting of complete capitulation by the conservatives. I don’t see that happening this time around.
At the risk of sounding like a petulant hipster or a moronic Ron Paul supporter, I don’t know if I can vote for Romney if he gets the nod. I only voted for McCain because he picked Sarah Palin, who I adored even before she was the pick, and also because McCain’s advanced age meant that he might DIE QUICKLY.
Romney doesn’t have either of those things going for him. He’s the GOP’s version of the DNC’s perfect candidate. Exactly like Obama in every way, except not black. Not only do I not think it would be better if Romney wins, I don’t think I even want a party that thinks that they need a non-minority who pushes the same agenda as the DNC to win. If the GOP thinks Romney is such a sure choice, let him win without my vote.
A big part of me wants to see what happens if Obama gets re-elected. To see what it’s actually gonna be like for all these non-contributing zeros who live off of government largess when the dollar collapses and the economy tanks and the federal government suffocates under the skinfolds of it’s own enormous fat bureaucracy. Will that be the end of America? Maybe. I can’t see how a Romney victory could prevent that, only delay it perhaps.
If Romney wins, the collapse “…is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come. It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter.” Let the fools have their Tar-Tar sauce.
I am NOT suggesting “complete capitulation by the conservatives.” People should vote with their conscience in the primaries. My point is that regardless of who the primary winner is, on November 3, you should vote for that person. I happen to think it’ll be Mitt. That doesn’t mean I’m voting for him in the primary. It simply means I’m SICK OF PRIMARIES.
“My point is that regardless of who the primary winner is, on November 3, you should vote for that person”
I agree with that statement completely. What “Armed Partisan” is suggesting, with Obama as the President, is nothing short of the swift and utter destruction of our Country. As much as I do not like him, Romney is nowhere close to that. With conservatives gaining ground in the Senate and House, Romney will be pushed right. With Obama in the WH, he doesn’t care what the law is, what the Constitution says, or how much the Republicans complain about him. He will implement changes in the next 4 years that make these last 3 look like a picnic. Any rational thinking conservative cannot facilitate that situation.
Do you not see any hypocrisy in what you say? You want the Republicans to stop the in-fighting and rally around one person. Then you say, and I quote, “I don’t like any of them, but they are ALL better than what we’ve got.”
It’s fine if you don’t like any of them. But they are who our party has. You have a voice (your blog) and YOU could make a difference by pointing out ‘why’ Mitt Romney will make a better president than B.O.
To name a few: He believes in the Constitution, he has a successful record on creating jobs, he is Presidential, he is a Christian, he has values and morals, he WILL repeal Obamacare, he has actually had a job, become successful on his own, will balance the budget, will cut taxes and will get businesses back in our own country.
I don’t need to know what others don’t like about him. No candidate is perfect. He is a far better choice than B.O. I voted for Mitt in the last primary and voted for him again this time. And in the General Election I will happily vote for him without holding my nose. He is an intelligent man. A good man, and he is Presidential.
Romney is Obamalike and we’ll have more of the same with him. I have followed Gingrich for years and I find he is the most conservative of any of them. I know people say he has a lot of baggage but at least he married his extra affairs. His daughter does not blame him and works along side of him in this race. I’m sure that she knows more about his personal life than anyone else does and if she doesn’t blame him no one else should. In the primaries I will vote for Newt. If santorum or Romney win the nomination I will vote for who ever wins the nomination with reluctance. I just think Newt has the best interest of our country and the most common sense ideas and like I said I have followed him while in congress and in the years since. Thank you for letting me express my thoughts on this election.
I’m not sure what you find hypocritical, Diane. It would be hypocritical of me to say I think he’s the best candidate for the job. I don’t. I think he’s better than Obama, which is precisely what I said. He is a better choice than Obama, for the reasons you list, and probably lots of others!
Not sure what’s hypocritical about that. It’s honesty.
She’s right. What’s your favorite football team? Do you want them to win the Super Bowl? Do you want them to win in a blowout? Would you still be satisfied if they won by a point?
It is clear the Republican Presidential candidate will be less than desirable. So now need to support any true conservative running for House and Senate seats. Need to defang Obama in case he wins a lame duck term and let him bring impeachment on himself from all his unconstitutional executive orders. If we control both houses we might be able to pull it off.
Alan…I think what you are saying is a definite possibility, however, Obama is currently in the process of an avoid Congress workaround. So we could put the bestest and the brightest into Congress and he may just figure out a way of bypassing it. I SO wouldn’t put it past him.
Hmmm…does anyone here even remotely know the differences between the candidates on various policies? The only thing I am reading here is nothing more than conventional media thinking in the blog and subsequent posts.
BTW…history shows this primary process is actually good.
“Who’s with me?”
I’m with you, darlin’. I don’t like any of them, but there’s only one of them I truy suspect of hating America and being a closet communist (alright, I said it out loud)–Barack Obama. I would vote for my cat before I would vote for Obama. In fact he would make a much better president: he’s fuzzy, loyal, smart, and, he would get the African American vote—-he’s black.
Diane – I agree with what you have said about Mitt. I think he’s a great man and would make an excellent President… I also appreciate your honesty, Mock, and I don’t see any hypocrisy in your remarks…. I just think the GOP needs to realize that it will be the moderates / Independents who will decide this race against Obama… Mitt can win them over better than the others, frankly.
I like something about each candidate and I dislike something about each, but I dislike LESS about Mitt than the others. If you all would read his book “No Apologies” I think you’d have a more well-rounded picture of him. The media has done a nice job skewing who he is (along with his fellow candidates…) and what he has done… I’m supporting Mitt all the way without holding my nose about it, either.
http://chicksontheright.com/2011/12/16/guy-smiley-might-be-for-real/
What’s that thing they say about great minds? Oh and that other thing about having already told someone something?
The problem with the rnc primary process, and it isn’t so much a problem as the rnc’s design, is that the states to the left have their primaries early, making sure the most liberal candidates get the nod.
Imagine how different it’d be if texas, virginia, mississippi, alabama, etc, did the early voting.
Instead we let conservative hallmarks like iowa decide who the rnc pick will be.
Meanwhile, the big government republicans get to gain power despite conservatives… After all, we have no other alternative. Voting republican is somehow our duty.
The rnc doesn’t have to win the vote by putting up a conservative, because far too many conservatives are willing to compromise any and all principles, believing that speeding towards a cliff at 55mph is holier than doing so at 65mph.
Why doesn’t the rnc fear conservatives? Because we continue to let the most liberal states pick the most liberal candidates, and then we vote for them because a **** sandwich may be preferable to a giant douche.
I remember principle. I remember our founding fathers staking their lives, money and holy honor on principle.
Where do you draw the line in the sand? What freedom will need to be taken before you abandon the big government oppression from both the dnc and rnc?
Make no mistake, we’re in a pot of water. The rnc just turns the heat up more slowly.
I voted for Rick Santorum, but as Mark Levin said…I will vote for a can of orange juice over obama. Although Jenny’s cat sounds pretty good, too.
Mock-
You sum it up nicely (as always).
I am a TEA party person and if you told me 6 months ago that I’d be supporting Romney I would have laughed in your face. I supported Herman Cain and wanted him so badly to get the nomination. No true conservative wants Mitt Romney to be our candidate but WAKE UP PEOPLE- he’s what we have to deal with. I am disgusted with people who say that they will stay home rather than vote for MItt. Have you all lost your minds? The country is at stake and you need to put on your big girl/boy pants and do everything in your power to help defeat B.O. Otherwise, you’ll wake up in four years and ask yourselves, “What country am I living in?”
Betsy
That’s kind of a false statement. I know no one who says they will stay home. Voting third party is not the same as staying home.
Abandoning the liberal republican party (which abandoned us a while ago) is not staying home.
It is the rnc’s duty to provide you someone worth voting for, it is NOT your duty to vote republican. Every election that passes before folks realize this makes it that much harder to change.
We are lambs. We’re voting for who picks the menu… We’re being asked to pick between a pack of wolves and a pack of foxes…. And too many of us are convinced to vote fox because they seem less dangerous.
EmployedOkie-
Maybe I’m wrong but Armed Partisan wrote, ” At the risk of sounding like a petulant hipster or a moronic Ron Paul supporter, I don’t know if I can vote for Romney if he gets the nod.” That sounds like that person may indeed stay home, maybe it means he or she will be voting third party. I’ve heard it on other blogs sites, TEA party sites, and just on the ground that people “refuse to vote for Mitt” if he gets the nod.
I only hope and pray that after the primary process is over that we can all come together. It’s your choice to write in or vote third party. It’s a wasted vote- but for sure your choice. God Bless America!
Betsy..
” It’s a wasted vote-”
And that is exactly how the rnc likes to keep its conservative voters: Convinced that voting on principle is a waste.
As though voting is about picking a winner rather than voting for the best candidate…
Today’s voting has become one “anybody but” campaign after another. No one has to prove why they’re a good person for the job…they just have to prove how they’re not person X (this time Obama, the last 2 elections, bush).
And that’s the mode of thinking too many of us have, as voters.. “Are they a good candidate?”. “Well, they’re not Obama!”
The problem with “anybody but” campaigns is that you tend to get rotten anybody’s. (For reference, see john kerry).
Most of these folks have been running for multiple cycles… Why is a loser from our last cycle suddenly a winner this time? “Because he’s not Obama!”
Pretty much everyone is not Obama. If our scale of “makes a good president” is going to be reduced to “not Obama” lets just run joe biden as a republican. Hey, he isn’t as liberal as obama, that must make him a good republican.
How many principles are you willing to sacrifice to vote for someone popular? This is the guy who brought obamacare to his state before there was obamacare….. And we’re supposed to vote for him. He’s been established as a big government candidate,…. And we’re supposed to vote for him. He’s been established to be pro choice, and we’re supposed to vote for him.
If you say “we have a big government candidate who has supported government healthcare, a large government and abortion” I’d ask who the republican is. Our republican candidates may have an R after their name, but each one has the democrat scorecard…. So you’re voting democrat.
They have just been repackaged. Now under the titles of republican and democrat, we have liberal and socialist. And you’re going to get upset for people wanting to vote for someone who is neither liberal nor socialist.
Voting for someone other than Mitt (or anyone in the republican field right now) is not “staying home” or “wasting a vote”. … Whatever methods used to justify compromising all your principles is up to you, but don’t transfer it upon others who refuse to submit anymore.
Above anonymous was from me. Not sure why I’m having issues, but the mobile version of this site no longer likes the android operating system on my phone. Heh.
I’m not on this site to fight with conservatives. I get what you guys are saying AND I AGREE! However, I live in the real world. Like I said, I wanted Herman Cain to be the nominee- I sent him a big, fat check hoping it would help. It didn’t. So yes, we are stuck with 4 guys that aren’t even close to perfect. I am saying I will vote for whomever the (R) nominee might be because it will be better than what we have now. And yes, a vote for a third party is wasted b/c we all know those votes only help the Democrats.
Hope you all have a great day!
Insults and restating a false statement do not make your compromised principles any less compromised.
Here is the “real world”… We are diving into hell as a nation and you are supporting someone who wants to make sure we’re wearing our water wings rather than supporting someone who wants to stop our descent.
I wish such a person would be found within the republican party, but all the early primaries in liberal states makes sure that won’t happen, all while giving the illusion that a liberal is really who America wants.
And folks who compromise all principle for the sake of the R are apparently more than willing to let that happen, as there is nothing more than handringing and “I wish someone better was running, but I’m voting republican anyway!” statements…none of which give incentive for the rnc to shift right.
Since the republican nominee is a democrat on all levels but the letter after his name, I put forth that voting republican is a waste of a vote. You’re just electing a democrat in republican’s clothing.
Continue the path of compromising all principle at the altar of the rnc….. It’s worked so well for conservatives so far.
Bah, once again, above anonymous is me. Not sure why my info isn’t sticking.
Now it appears to stick with my name. Android, thou art a cold-hearted (censored)..
Of the 4 left the only one I would have to hold my nose for IF he became the nominee would be Ron Paul. His foreign policy stance scares the sh** out of me (hence holding the nose). The other 3 are OK, not wonderful, but good enough to start turning this country around if they get elected. I’m TEA Party right, but I understand that this country is made up of more than just the right and the left, we also have the Independent middle ground. As much as I would like to have Rick Santorum as our nominee I have to admit that Mitt would probably appeal more to the Independents and get their vote, guaranteeing the GOP the win. Bottom line is we need to come together and get rid of Obama whether we are completely happy with who beats him or not. A can of orange juice, or a cat, anything is better than Obama!
I’m all for voting your conscience and your principles. This election is different, though. We can’t afford to vote third party or write in a name just to prove a point to the RNC. Not this time. Our country is in grave danger if Obama gets elected again. Some of our candidates might be more liberal than we would like but I don’t think they have the same sinister motives as Obama. We have to defeat him with whatever we have even if the Republican candidate isn’t our personal choice. Strength in numbers! No third party candidate will have the numbers to beat Obama. Let’s save the country with the arsenal we have available to us first and worry about conscience and principle later. If we don’t, we may never get the chance to vote again.
Just a mom…
Same thing said in 2010, 2007 and 2006. No election will be a “good time”… But each election is a worse time…. So logic dictates we do it while we still can.
I’m not so sure we’ve ever had a true socialist in the White House like we have now. At least not one this brazen. Obama getting elected again is the most terrifying outcome I can imagine. Everybody can and will vote for the best candidate in their eyes. As for me, I’ll stick with the numbers to beat Obama.
Ok, Okie, so what conservative do we vote for in the general?
I know it’s late in this post to be commenting, maybe, but I have to get this off my chest. Number one: Like Mizz M, I would vote for a can of orange juice before BHO gets my vote. Heck! I’d write in Mickey Mouse before I’d vote for BHO.
That said, I was an early adopter of Herman Cain, which is very odd for me since I’m rarely an early adopter. I wasn’t sure he’d get the nomination, but I ran my tax numbers under his 9-9-9 plan and my taxes decreased an overall 13%. My only problem with him was that here was no CAP on 9-9-9 to prevent it from turning into 40-40-40 for instance.
I noticed quickly that when he began to run ahead of “their choice, Mitt” that things began to come out about Cain….nothing too bad at first, but it came and finally toppled him. YET, what truly surprised me wasn’t what came out about him, but rather the LACK of support or backing or anything from the RNC during the events themselves. It was almost like he was a disposable candidate. I feel the same about the others that have left and with Newt and with Santorum, too. If it’s NOT “their choice man–MItt Romeny” the RNC won’t support them fully at all.
Therefore, as I’ve said for a long time and the CHICKS said, too, it appears that the will of the people and the voice of the voter will not have any weight (if it truly ever did) as they ENSURE their man wins.
BUT, I don’t feel it’s just a GOP issue. Look at how HIllary was tossed aside in favor of BHO! He stole her year from her with the blessing of the DEMS just as soon as they realized that many people in American would vote for a black man over a woman. So, again, the people truly seemed to back HIllary, yet BHO got the nod and ultimately the election.
THEN, with Christy, I truly feel he got a deal to NOT run. Heck, he mentioned it for like a week, gets a visit from “Mitt, the man” and suddenly he’s not interested. Smells like a deal to me.
SO, I am left to wonder if it even MATTERS if I vote in a primary since it seems already assigned to Mitt.
Maybe I’m just crazy, but in my little corner of the USA, this is how it looks. Your results may vary. I just had to get this off my chest.
Jacob, the problem is that the conservative vote has been split all along. My plea a couple weeks ago, when it became clear that Santorum was surging and could possibly make a run for it, was for every conservative to throw support behind him. Had that happened, he would have won Michigan, and would likely be on the way to winning the nomination. However, many people feel that he is not quite right, so they are going for Newt. I’m still going for Santorum. The conservative vote is still being split and if it continues, Romney is in.
Let’s face it people. This is not entirely the result of what the RNC is doing. It is the result of all of us not rallying behind one candidate. We are doing it to ourselves.
Some great posts but no one has answered my question. It seems that everyone is still stuck on the unifying conundrum and the question of anyone but Mitt.
Do people really even know the differences between the candidates and their platforms? Do they know how they match or don’t match the RNC platform? Do they actually know the various candidates records?
It seems people are down in the weeds here.
BTW…if you don’t like the way the RNC does things then get involved in the RNC or at the very least hammer them directly to get the effective change you want.
Mike
Cain was good. The things he wasn’t great on would be nonissues with congress anyway.
I still like duncan hunter from the 08 election. Ted nugent is a good conservative… Though I don’t think he’d give up hunting for 4 years. Heh.
I like christie from nj. Hell, I’d take John Bolton, even if he’s put his support behind romney.
ANY of them would be preferable to even the most conservative of the folks we have left. Between mit “Romneycare” Romney, Newt “imprison judges who disagree with me” gingrich, et al.
I like santorum as well, but only as long as his administration wouldn’t push a cultural conservative politically liberal agenda.
The rnc let cain flap in the wind. Not because he was black, as the left would say, but because he was an outsider to politics. In my book, politicians ARE the problem, so being an outsider was a plus.
Laurel, I do happen to know.
Mitt wants to lower the corporate tax rate to 28%, he does not support a recall amendment to the constitution for SCOTUS justices, and he supports super PAC attacks as long as they benefit him and will not denounce them even when lying. Mitt has not committed to a stance about funding for NPR or Planned Parenthood. Mitt has also not committed to ending the EPA, or the DOE however, he has said that he will not fund anything that is not important enough to “borrow money from China” which is a slogan and really tells me nothing but it is a commitment all the same.
Rick Santorum wants to lower the corporate tax rate for most industries to 25% and for manufacturers to 0 to help create blue collar job growth in America and alow us to compete with tiny Asian countries that will work for less than a dollar an hour, he is unsure of support for an amendment allowing for the recall of a SCOTUS justice (he would have to read the bill), he wants to spend time (but not money or regulate) supporting charity groups that promote abstinence education, he will not sign any bill with funds to Planned Parenthood, He wants to repeal McCain Feingold, and disband the EPA handing it’s relevant functions over to federal workplace safety inspectors, he wants to drastically shrink the DOE to an observing and reporting organization not another bureaucratic arm of the government.
Newt wants to lower the corporate tax rate to 20%, encourage schools to give kids from lower income families jobs at the school performing the functions of low level staffers, janitors, and other petty jobs for profit (with regulation or legislation or just encouragement I am not sure), he wants an amendment to be able to recall a SCOTUS justice but is not specific in public as to what those requirements would be (apparently you can find it on newt.org… but I haven’t been able to, I am much to lazy). He also has come out with some crazy ideas like the moon colony and others that have been criticized publicly that I don’t really care to list.
Ron Paul hates all spending and because he hates all spending he can lower the tax rate to 15%. He wants to end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to help save spending, he wants to close all of our embassy’s overseas, and he wants to end all foreign aid. He wants to repeal heath care, drug, gun, prostitution, and many other laws and hand the responsibility back to the states. He wants to disband the EPA and the DOE, and he does want an amendment to recall SCOTUS justices on the provision that there is a super majority vote in both houses and the fact that a justice is repeatedly acting against the constitution can be proven beyond reasonable doubt. He also wants to end all social programs that are not in line with The Constitution. He also wants to end the Fed and go back to the Gold Standard.
All candidates want the XL pipeline, all candidates want to repeal Obamacare, all candidates want to repeal the regulations that have come down from the Obama administration regarding Cap and Trade, the Dream Act, and other issues.
On a somewhat related (Romney) note, however completely off topic, I have a question for the chicks (hosts and readers alike): When you see a picture of Mitt, does anyone else hear Clairee Belcher’s line “they’ve all been carved out of cream cheese”?
Guys…you’re welcome to answer the question, but, I should warn you, that most men would rather lose a testicle than admit that they not only have SEEN Steel Magnolias but recognize a line from it.
Ali the First: Do you know their very specific economic plans? How do they rate? There is more to it than the corporate tax rate btw. But in regards to that tax rate how does it stack up against the rest of the world?
And how does all of that stack up to what they have said, done, and voted for in the past?
What do others say about them? Is it objective or objectionable?
My point is in the age of new media why are we depending on the MSM and the RNC to vet our candidates and distract us from the real issues and the problems in this country and the world?! There is simply no excuse for this in the information age. I see the enemy and it is us.
On a side note…I have no objection to reigning in the SCOTUS. When we have a Justice allowed to go out of country and run down the Constitution they swore to uphold we have a serious problem. Maybe the term limits is the real answer there.
I also have no objection to a moon colony. Do people seriously think that Russia and China wouldn’t be all over that? Reality is it isn’t whether we ever get to the moon but it is about the real technological and scientific advancements that come from the race to the moon, advancements that generate much needed revenue at every level of life. There are many items you use everyday that came from the space race. Just as we ceded our authority and inventions in the oil market to the ME, and the very real market demand we created with our inventions, why are we ceding our authority and scientific advancements in space to the rest of the communist world in the name of entitlements? People can laugh at a moon colony but remember in the 1930′s people laughed about launching into space let alone orbiting the moon or even earth. In the 19th century people laughed about flight in general. I wonder what those very people would say now.
EO: “ANY of them would be preferable to even the most conservative of the folks we have left. Between mit “Romneycare” Romney, Newt “imprison judges who disagree with me” gingrich, et al.”
That is pure nonobjective hyperbole with no basis in reality and devoid of intellect.
Simple fact is we have to choose the best from what we have and not what we wish we had. Nonobjective hyperbole doesn’t allow for that. There is a gigantic difference between cynicism and skepticism.
Now having said that, our worst is still better than the Democrat best, that being Obama or even Clinton.
Okie – are you serious? Do you see that you have no solution to support your position in reality? Cain is not running. Nugent is not running. You want a conservative but you say that you would support Christie. You are all over the map. Let’s quit playing in the sandbox and face reality.
One more chance. Based on the reality of the situation, what conservative should we vote for in the general (who will actually be running)?
Laurel:
please explain how it is “nonobjective hyperbole” to have a problem with Romney over his support of Romneycare, one of the projects that formed obamacare? Or how it is ” nonobjective hyperbole” to be wary about newt when he very plainly stated that judges that disagree with him should be impeached and the us marshalls whould go arrest them?
You keep using that word, but I don’t think it means what you think it means. I suppose that is my fault too, just like when you blamed me for your daughter’s troubles in school.
let me be plainly clear: the republican party has failed to put up a conservative candidate. They have put up moderate (at best) candidates and are calling them conservative by comparing them to Obama, then using scary language (you’d better ******* support these folks or else you’re reelecting Obama!!!”
Meanwhile, America suffers yet another election with a leftward moving republican party.
Mike..
Yes, I know none of those folks are running. Don’t move the goalposts… You wanted to know who I suggested. Of those that are left, I find none REALLY voteworthy. MAYBE santorum.
I support the republican party when it supports the conservative voice. It is obligated to pander to conservatives if it wants a conservative vote. Neither I, nor you, are obligated to pander to the rnc. We are their customers. We demand better service and representation from mcdonalds than we do from the republican party..
I wrote them after the 2010 election and told them that I was pleased with the rightward swing of congress and the recapture of the house and that the republican party needed to keep its small-government spine and continue to support conservatives over liberal republicans to keep my vote (and the vote of other conservatives who have finally drawn their line in the sand and refuse to compromise further). They are failing to do so.
There is no conflict. The rnc does not want conservatives as customers. We expect responsibility. The further left you go, the more voters are satisfied with free money.
I wonder what would happen if a grass roots group started a write in campaign for a true conservative candidate? We saw how quickly the TEA party movement grew, I’d love to see that movement carry a reluctant president into office.
EO: Your rampant emotionalism is getting out of control and it’s surprising coming from a smart guy. I never blamed you for my daughter’s troubles in school. What I did say is you refuse to accept responsibility for the trouble YOU caused in school which is a violation of the rights of your school mates. Constant trouble makers never seem to get that fact though. Why and how I could blame you personally for her problems when you didn’t go to school with her is beyond reason and reach.
You like to twist things…which leads me to your quote.
You are blatantly twisting what Romney and Gingrich said. Since when do you fall in with the MSM in twisting people’s words? That does fall under the category of nonobjective hyperbole. If you don’t like a candidate then tell us why objectively. I can give you a list of what I don’t like and do like about every single candidate up to and including Ron Paul and Barack Obama.
EO: “let me be plainly clear: the republican party has failed to put up a conservative candidate. They have put up moderate (at best) candidates and are calling them conservative by comparing them to Obama, then using scary language (you’d better ******* support these folks or else you’re reelecting Obama!!!”
Meanwhile, America suffers yet another election with a leftward moving republican party.”
Now this is objective analysis and I think represents the overall conundrum conservatives face this election. This I agree with. What we have to keep in mind though is America has never, ever had such a left leaning president in the WH. The closest we have come is Wilson and he wasn’t in our lifetime nor could match Obama.
Conservatives need to ask themselves what risk, and how big of a risk, they are willing to take.
As I have said in the past, the candidates get their biggest bumps when they come out at point blank range and say what specifically they want to do. Yes I have researched the voting records of all those who are running, and when Mitt has managed to lessen my absolute disgust has been when he has explained those signings appointments and votes that I morally opposed. Rick Santorum while the truth isn’t popular did say that politics in the House and Senate is a team sport and sometimes you do have to take one for the team. Do I like that reality? Hell no! But I understand it as the reality of working in a legislative body. I have read most of the work of Newt Gengrich (including his historical fiction… which is fascinating and just absolute page turners btw), including the Contract With America and other idealistic documents that fizzle out right after the photo opp. The only candidate I haven’t done much serous research on besides his voting record is Ron Paul, which let’s face it it speaks for itself, and I find him to be completely loony tunes.
I know that each candidate has his issues with consistency and reasons to not believe in him. I’m not blind. That’s one of the reasons I dislike them all. I simply dislike Mitt Romney the most and the loudest because his issue with consistency is one of the biggest things we have to do in the next 4 years. The absolute and complete repeal of Obamacare and a total overhaul of the tax and welfare systems. Those are big jobs and I don’t think Mitt is up for the Obamacare job. He just wants to fix it. He has no intention of a full repeal, unless it is a “repeal then start over from scratch” maneuver which isn’t a full repeal en practicum. Let’s face it my favorites didn’t run, and my favorite of those who did isn’t anymore and was out before Iowa.
In regards to the moon colony, I am not against it in principal either, but to say that we will garner the capitol to begin research even on making one in less than four to eight years is ridiculous (which is exactly how long Newt could be President…), and I need more of the boots in the sh*t let’s get clean Newt than the head in the clouds Newt and as time has gone on he has shown less of the boot cleaner and more of the head in the clouds idealism that will fizzle out with the flashbulbs.
Yes I have researched the individual tax plans and those are the biggest changes. They really don’t have a plan except for Ron Paul who wants to abolish the tax code and go to a VAT or a flat tax which I favor. But the rest of Ron Paul is to much of bat crap on a cracker zooming into outer space crazy to take seriously. This is exactly why I miss Herman Cain in the race. He was the COMPLETE PACKAGE until some crazy sluts who had no credibility started coming out of the woodwork. But I can’t change the past no matter how hard I want to, and I can’t bring back 999 into the actual race.
Ok, Okie. Since there is no true conservative running, although, amazingly, you would support Christie if he were running (even though he is no true conservative). So your plan is to sit this one out and let a radical Marxist finish off the country. Then, we will lapse into statism for a few years or decades, then a revolution will occur maybe. As opposed to getting him out of office, working on taking back Congress with conservatives, adding to the start we made in the last election, and then working to move things back to the right.
Personally, I am unwilling to sit back and realize that I contributed directly to the speedy demise of our country. If you are, I hope you’re prepared to live with the consequences.
Okie – One other thing. What do you think about your hero Ted Nugent now?
“after a long heart&soul conversation with MittRomney today I concluded this good man will properly represent we the people & I endorsed him” Ted Nugent.
Ali the First: What are the nuts and bolts of their economic plans. I love how you think except I disagree with the Santorum logic. You have any magic to get others to vet? I swear if we didn’t have such a radical in the WH I would sit this one out…AND THAT IS SOMETHING I HAVE NEVER DONE.
You have to think past the primary to the general. For all you conservatives who support Romney, watch how he flips in the general when he doesn’t think he needs you anymore to win the presidency. … Romney’s natural psychological address is liberal, it’s his default, he can’t help it, the more he tries to get away from it, instantly the more it shows, it can’t be hidden… Like Bloomberg in New York, he only ran as a republican in Mass because he could not primary the incumbent and win; thus his initial commitment to a conservative philosophy was purely tactical. That is why he worked so well with a democratic state legislature, and that’s why he CONCEIVED and passed Romney Care…as a registered republican governor of a state that is synonymous with the Kennedy’s…. it’s a joke from an ideological perspective. And I say this as a New Yorker: Be wary of the rise of a north east republican movement that circumvents the traditional base. It most certainly will mean an eventual party revolt-the under lying physics says it has too.
What must be negotiated is this: If you simply hate Obama and want to vote against him …..fine, but do not confuse a vote for Romney, with a vote for maintaining a philosophical standard for the conservative wing of the party, because it isn’t, and to do so presents a risk to the party itself, and to those naturally poised to lead it going forward….choose your poison.