Liberals Hate The Truth.
Written by Mockarena // February 24, 2012 // The Makeover And/Or Miscellaneous // 44 Comments
I mean, I’m not sure what other conclusion you can come to when you watch this video, of a blogger from the Daily Kos, who was then fired by the Daily Kos after speaking the truth.
He’s been awakened, and I respect him for owning his own indoctrination. And I’m happy to hear that he has changed some minds along the way.
44 Comments on "Liberals Hate The Truth."
I’m in the middle of a 200 level course on Islam right now… In it’s purest form (much like Christianity) Islam is a beautiful religion. We need to remember to separate religion from culture… There is nothing in the Qur’an that condones forced conversion, suppression of women or attacks on those considered ′Ahl al-Kitāb (People of the Book, Jews and Christians).
The version of Islam that the media is feeding us is really something that is wayyyyy out on the fringe. Only 1% of Muslims in the world are considered radicals and only 7% believe we deserved the attacks on 9/11.
On a lighter note the really sweet Afghan girl who sits to my left told me that she “loves President Bush”
Yea WU, I took some 400 level courses on Islam back in college. In its purest form, Islam has been a culture of genocide, conquest, and forced conversion ever since its inception. It’s never had any leadership other than despotic warlords, and the only difference between today and a thousand years ago is their tactics.
And even then, those haven’t much changed. Their favorite game is still to invade a city and raze its religious institutions to build on top of them. A “kill and replace your gods” mentality. Of course, in the modern age, they have to be a little more subtle about it (but not much). Take a good look at their influence on southern Europe, and tell me that’s not what you’re seeing. Spain especially.
Here’s the difference between Islam and Christianity. Christianity has been around longer, and it went through its puberty of conquest, crusade, dark ages, and inquisitions – and it ultimately grew and evolved as a result. It still has, imho, a few archaic practices – but, all things considered, Christianity grew up. It grew parallel to human advancement, and it has a place in the modern world.
The same cannot be said for Islam. Islam has patently refused to evolve in any way. Hell, it’s written into its system that it’s NOT ALLOWED to evolve (and they’ll KILL YOU if you try). If you look at the history, it’s not really much different today than it was a thousand years ago. A lot of the practices and beliefs held by the Muslim leadership today, are the same as they were when Islam first started cropping up.
Am I going to stereotype every single Muslim in the world that way? No. But the culture itself is one of violence and oppression. Maybe some modern Muslims depart from that, much like many practitioners do from the various tenets of Christianity and Judiasm, but make no mistake – Islam is pretty darned awful.
Oh, and please – spare me the attempt to differentiate “the religion of Islam vs. Muslim extremists.” It’s one in the same. For that, I refer you to Tarek Fatah’s 2011 speech at Ideacity. I highly recommend you listen to the entire thing.
“Today we are fighting another idea of Islamofascism that has shut our mouths and we can’t speak, because we are too scared that that someone will turn around and call us a racist. And, mind you, every day, as I speak, a few dozens Muslims would have been killed by now by these jihadis.
But what are we doing today? Are we not more concerned in Parliment about the ill-treatment of the Taliban at the hands of the Afghan army? But do you ever hear about the hundreds of people being slaughtered by that same Taliban, right across the road? A threat that’s posed to this country to the extent that we have a terror trial coming up every few months. But none of us want to talk about it. Because it makes us uncomfortable.”
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“We have sacrificed a lot to create a society where men and women are equal. Where black and white can be of equal status. Where citizenship is not based on inherited race or religion. Let us not sacrifice that in the name of pluralism and tolerance and tolerate bigotry and Islamofascism as if it was something that needs to be tolerated.
I would refer to that as a Racism of Lower Expectations when you say that, yes, the rest of us are equal human beings – but those Muslims, well maybe they’re not yet fully developed as human beings, so we’ll put a lower threshold.
If that guy beats up his wife and kills his daughter, we won’t even call it “honor killing.” That happened in this city! When Aqsa Parvez died, there were women’s groups saying, “That’s not honor killing.” For crying out loud, five thousand Sunni die every year! If you claim you have done an honor killing, you get half a sentence as you do with a murder! And yet there are feminist organizations in this city that would refer to me as a right-wing lunatic or an agent of Zionism for having spoken up for the dead body of Aqsa Parvez.
Why is it happening? Because we are not speaking out. And, the dangers we face, if we do not confront them today? Our children will not forgive us tomorrow.”
(Emphasis mine.)
Islam, contrary to your assertion, is NOT a beautiful religion. You can blather about the true intent of Allah all you want – but at the end of the day, the Muslim culture has, and always has been, one of violence. It has no place in this world. None. That doesn’t mean that every single Muslim is a bad person, but it DOES MEAN that their entire ideology is wrong.
Thank you, wakeup, for our daily dose of Taqiyya and Kitman.
(For those unfamiliar with the terms, see these links:
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/25320
…or…
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm)
WakeUp, with all do respect, Why do we need to separate religion from culture? When it comes to Muslims or Islam, they certainly don’t. It is the muslims that don’t separate any of it. To them, their religion is their culture, politics, law and everything about there life. They are not tolerant. They do not assimilate into out culture when they are here. And frankly, I am sick and tired of hearing what a beautiful religion it is.As far as what a class is teaching, I would not expect them to be teaching the truth about it and as far as the numbers who say they are against the attacks. I also call B.S. We all know they would never lie. (wink,wink)
How absolutely refreshing to hear a liberal say “I was wrong.” Over the course of my life, I, too have changed my opinion on a myriad of issues on political, religious, social and personal topics. I have always been committed to standing up for what I saw as the truth, and following that, no matter where it led. It has been a lonely road, because I’m ALWAYS stepping on someone’s toes, usually a former friend with whom I agreed! So I salute this guy, who lost not only friends, but his job, for standing up for his revised opinion.
And how absolutely closed-minded of the liberal media–and how absolutely typical. All their raging about getting the truth to the masses is BS. There IS no truth but liberalism, in their view.
BB, because the RELIGION does not mandate the CRAP the different individual CULTURES oppress their people with.
AT, if you please I would like very much for you to point out the EXACT verses in the Qur’an that call for “genocide, conquest, and forced conversion”… and then quote the verses that condemn them… I’ll wait over here while you figure that out.
@Wake Up….are these the lines you are requesting…
Sura 5:51: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them “for friendship is of them.” This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own and deserving of the same fate as the unbeliever. This is because God does not guide an unjust people.
Sura 4:89 “seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
@ Missy, what is it REALLY saying? *note sarcasm*
I would disagree! Many Muslims do separate their religion from their culture. Some of my extended family is Muslim, and they have come to my BAPTIST church with us, they celebrate our Christian holidays with us, but they still practice many of their own religious celebrations, and include us in them. I do not doubt in any way that there are Muslims out there who are extreme and who hate everything about America. But there are also American Christians who hate everything about everyone else. Who is going to stand up and say that somehow the Americans are more justified in their hate? Not me.
*sounds of Wake Up flipping through his Koran* “damn, how did I miss that? Teacher said that we didn’t need to concern ourselves with that part”
Oh maybe that’s why they skipped that part of the lecture…..
WakeUp’s excuse: “but but but they don’t reeaaaallllyyyy believe that, (insert diversion tactic) what about the old testament? You know where it said that parents need to stone their own children? *inner thoughts – yeah that will get those right-wingers in a tizzy*
Hey Wake Up -> try a different tactic, ok? Like, maybe actually reading what you are defending? Strange new concept, I know. It will be ok
*lovingly pats WakeUp on the head *
Bravo to AT and Missy!
dancingelephant: That is beside the point. I know many Muslims who do the same. Problem is they are minority, an extremely small minority, that are unable to wage war unlike their peers.
WakeUp: I don’t know who is teaching that class but you aren’t getting your money’s worth. It isn’t enough to learn the Quaran, one must also learn the history of it and what was done in it’s name and why. Culture does matter because cultures are formed around and out of religion. They are inseparable.
Just as with many religious texts it does cover the same material many times and different dogmas usually take different stances on those texts and that is how you make your religion “fit you” so to speak… The Koran is not like that. It is the only book that says that if there is a subject covered more than once in the Koran it is the writing that took place the most recently (later in the book) that is the dogma to follow, so it’s actually more effective to read the Koran backwards and then skip any passages that contain the same subject. You end up with a quite different book that is quite close to what is going on in the middle east. Destruction, killing, and humans degraded to the level of The Brutes.
They try hard to make themselves look good but it is only for the purpose of Ji’had, winning the hearts and minds so to speak.
Forgot to add… Kudos to this guy for wanting to tell THE TRUTH, and not some liberal manufactured version thereof.
Love the line “finding the conclusions I was looking for”…Kudos to this guy for looking for the truth!
What is truth? Liberals would have us believe that truth is relative. But I heard the best definition to date: Truth is when word and deed become one.
11+ years ago, Islam was running planes into our buildings and cheering in the streets took place throughout the better (or rather, worse) part of the entire M.E. The nation which was even then divided, actually united to fight this evil. But now just a short time after these events, this same group who sets out to kill and destroy all that is good, is being welcomed into this country, and their relig-, that is, their PSYCHOSIS is now actually invited by the liberals to challenge our laws, at the same time, being given a higher status of free speech than those who’s faith is Judeo-Christian.
The truth is, Islam is opposite of everything that is good, righteous and free. And it’s not just Jews and Christians they want to kill. Look at Afghanistan! After killing all the Jews and Christians there, they began killing Hindus and those of other religions. Heck, after that, they even began killing each other! Other examples: Iran, Turkey, Egypt, France, UK,etc . . . everywhere these people gain a foothold, death and destruction follow. And those in the media would rather push a lie. Makes me sick.
AT, Please oh please! May I copy your entire comment verbatim and post it to my Facebook page? You say so many things that I would like to say were I that eloquent. I will give you full credit and even link to this thread. Please? Pretty please?
what happened to wake up???? oh. hee hee hee
Knock yourself out ally. You don’t have to ask for permission, it’s an open forum. I don’t mind.
For your daily dose of Taqiyya, please attend. Those mobs you think you see on television screaming about killing the infidels are created by the Hollywood Jews using computer graphics. The Twin Towers in NY are really just encased in Imperialist American stealth material. The Zionists and ****roaches miss no opportunity to impugn Islam, they will even make up lies. Rest now my children, take these progressive sleeping pills and you will soon enjoy the peace of Islam.
Thanks, AT!
Considering my textbook on Islam is written by a Catholic I’m pretty sure we are getting a decent look at the religion.
Missy… oh how predictable … http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/friends.htm
bonster, I’m glad I don’t have your off the rack intellectualism… do you still paint on your cave walls with your own feces?
baggiewon, I have this thing called a life… you should try having one some day… hee, hee, hee
Also bonster… I’d like to see you defend the violence in the New Testament (don’t need to diver with the OT). There are 520 entries of cruelty and violence for the Koran, and 1,200 for the Bible.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
Have fun with that
Chew on this one for a while
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
Matthew 10:34
WakeUp,
Sweetie….here’s the big differnce. Jesus didn’t tell any of His disciples to kill someone for not believing in Him, and you won’t find any such edicts in the NT. The Quran imposes it upon a good Muslim to kill infidels, or to at the very least, subjugate them. Unlike the OT, where God did order the Israelites to kill certain peoples at a very specific time in history for a very specific reason, the Quran doesn’t put any such limitations on killing non-believers. It is a standing order to this day. The fact that you cannot see this leads me to believe that you are either purposely obtuse or truly developmentally delayed.
Sorry….”difference”.
Wake Up….you are taking one verse out of context. Chapter 10 (which is 42 verses long) is Jesus speaking to the 12 about sending them forth into the world. That they will be sheep in the midst of wolves.
AllieHM, sweetie pie… Here’s a little bite of reality for you…
“The taking of one innocent life is like taking all of Mankind… and the saving of one life is like saving all of Mankind” Qur’an, 5:33.
“Show forgiveness, speak for justice and avoid the ignorant.” Qur’an,7:199
“It may be that Allah will bring about love between you and those of them with whom you are now at enmity… Allah forbids you not respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you out from your homes, that you be kind to them and deal equitably with them; surely, Allah loves those who are equitable.” Qur’an, 60:8-9
Say: ‘We believe in God and the revelation given to us and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord. We make no difference between one and another of them, and we bow to God.’ ” Qur’an, 2:136
“And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], those who believe in God, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to God: They will not sell the Signs of God for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account. Qur’an, 3:199
“Those who believe (in God) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. Qur’an, 2:62
All people are a single nation; so Allah raised prophets as bearers of good news and as warners, and He revealed with them the Book with truth, that it might judge between people in that in which they differed; and none but the very people who were given it differed about it after clear arguments had come to them, revolting among themselves; so Allah has guided by His will those who believe to the truth about which they differed; and Allah guides whom He pleases to the right path. Qur’an, 2:213
Fact is, Muslims who disobey the Qur’an are committing MORTAL sin. Unfortunately MANY or MOST who think blowing themselves up, and killing innocents think they are doing it for the glory of God because some sociopath told them that’s what the Qur’an demands of them, and since they are illiterate or don’t understand classic Arabic they buy it.
WU: I apologize if I was unclear in my post – I’m not sure where you got any remarks about the Qur’an from what I said, but asking me for verses that indicate Islam’s generally violent nature (of which several posters have provided) is failing to understand what I was saying. And it’s fallacious. Perhaps unintentionally so, but fallacious nonetheless.
To put it simply, I’m not talking about the Qur’an. I’m talking about Islam. Let me put it another way: Can you possibly deny that in the entirety of the 1500 or so years of Islam’s existence, it has been actively and perpetually engaged in a violent expansionism wherein its overt brutality has caused countless amounts of death and subjugation? I mean, point to me one era in Islam’s history where they just kept to themselves without murdering people (‘infidels’) on a wide scale, invading and razing cities, brutally forcing their way of life on others, oppressing their own, or actively hatching plans for all of the above. You can’t, because such a time has never existed in the history of Islam. Because Islam is in no way a religion of peace.
Saying effectively, “Well the book is peaceful…” is disingenuous (not to mention false, as many here have pointed out), because it’s clear as a summer day that Islam itself – regardless of what the book says – has been on a perpetual path of genocide, conquest, and forced conversion; and has been led by leaders who actively support and encourage a violent and oppressive way of life.
The same, as I mentioned, cannot be said for Christianity and Judaism. While they certainly had their dark chapters, they have since modernized – grown up, if you will – and those chapters are behind them. Such is not the case for Islam. The history of Islam has, instead, been ALL dark chapters. And the thing about Islam is, it doesn’t want to grow up. Growing up is, in fact, against the religion – because growth means change. And that is one thing Islam adamantly refuses to do, to even the slightest iota. (Unless, of course, the change you’re talking about is new and clever ways to kill and/or subjugate people.)
How else do you rationalize, in the modern world, in the year 2012, a culture that justifies honor killings, the oppression and physical abuse of their women, advocating for the violent destruction of Western society, indoctrination of their men and children to hate and kill, and countless other insane depravities? Hell, this is a culture that still practices the art of MOBBING UP AND STONING PEOPLE TO DEATH. And these are not the fringe lunatics, mind you – these are the CURRENT LEADERS OF THE MUSLIM WORLD and the hundreds of millions of Muslims who follow them. (Who do so, I might add, under the edicts of that so-called “peaceful Qur’an.”) Is it each and every single individual Muslim? No. But is it Islam? You bet.
For pete’s sake, why would any sane, rational person ever be tolerant of such atrocities? Or try to apologize for them? We might owe Islam a nod for a few human advancements (and certainly the Muslim’s coffee and tobacco are a treat!), but does that in and of itself forgive the horrors they’ve unleashed upon the world since the beginning of Islam? Of course not.
So why pretend like it does? Why pretend that Islam is, or ever has been, anything but what it actually is?
Trying to take the route of claiming that the faith and the Qur’an is peaceful while overtly ignoring the culture is an exercise in ignorance. “Goodnight Moon” is a peaceful book. But if I start beating you over the head with it – pointing out its peacefulness is not going to excuse me, my actions, or my using it as a weapon against you.
WakeUp:
Missy already pointed out to you just 2 verses that have to do with killing non-Muslims. You yourself JUST said that Muslims are committing a motal sin for disobeying the Quran. So you have proven my point, WakeUp. Thanks!
Now, to parse just one item: the taking of an “innocent” life. In Islam, if you are an non-Muslim, you are not innocent. You are an enemy of Allah. So a good Muslim is NOT committing a mortal sin by killing an infidel.
I’m not going to go verse by verse. Let me just tell you this. The associate priest in my (Anglican) church lived a number of his years as a young man in Jordan, and then returned to Jordan for a number of years with his wife and his own family later. He was a marine before he was a priest, but at the time he returned to Jordan with his family, it was to head up a school that teaches English-speaking folks Arabic. Because he is FLUENT in Arabic. He has read the Quran innumerable times. He recently attended a local “let’s have a dialogue and all get along” gathering of clergy from various religions and denominations that was in front of an audience of members of the same. He read, in English, certain verses regarding violence to non-Muslims to the Imam who was present at this meeting, asking him if a good Muslim is to follow the Quran, shouldn’t he – the Imam – be compelled to kill all of those in the room who are not Muslim. The Imam told him he was reading a bad translation of the Quran, to which Fr. Matt replied, “I’m reading from my own copy of the Quran in Arabic and I’m translating on the spot.” The Imam grew quite flush and sputtered and stammered and then refused to answer the question. Fr. Matt is fond of saying that he genuinely and deeply loves Arabs (a term that all Middle-Easterners use to refer to Muslims in the Middle East, no matter what country they live in), so much so that he greatly desires their salvation as much as his own. His point wasn’t to shame the Imam; it was to speak truth in a hostile environment. So, WakeUp, honeybunch, don’t try to school me in Islam. It’s a losing battle, considering that I’ve got a 5-star general in my hip pocket.
Oh, and WakeUp, it’s allyHM. At least have the courtesy to spell it right. ::sigh::
I know a man who speaks 6 languages….he lived in a Muslim country for many years…he’s a businessman. During that time, he read an English translation of the Qu’oran and became enamored with the religion. By the time he’d lived in the country for awhile, and he began to read the language, he got a local Arabic translation of the Qu’oran. He said they are VASTLY different with the local translation being extremely more intolerant and violent than the English translation.
Now, he has no reason to lie about that, but he was very disappointed that it wasn’t the “beautiful” religion he had initially embraced. So, he never fully converted due to that. He also hasn’t seemed to get over the translation differences.
Now, I tend to believe him in many ways mainly because just look at the differences between the original texts of the Bible and the KJV and other versions. They’re not all identical. And, more modern translations are not always translated the same way, from the original texts, but instead are translated from a translation.
So, who do we believe……an English translation of a text that may or may not be accurate, someone who is fluent in languages and reads the local version of the text, or whom?
For me, any religious text read or taught out of the original language is subjective and is always to be read with the cultural ideology and history in mind. We wouldn’t dream of separating the culture of the Asians in a study of Buddhism, so why would we do that in the study of Islam? In that vein, the one thing that stands out for me is that anyone non-Islamic is an infidel….and that’s always the most disposable in a society.
AT, please give me one other empire that did not kill as they conquered…. Can’t think of any? Me either.
We, Americans killed 2 MILLION Vietnamese and i MILLION Japanese… but that’s ok? Can you justify that and tell me why one Empire’s killing spree is better than the other?
You speak of honor killing, stoning and the such like it was invented by Islam… Fact is when an area was conquered the Muslims left much of the preexisting legal code in tact… Guess what group believed in stoning prostitutes, those who commit adultery and sexual deviants… Here’s a hint, they did it in the OT.
allyHM (Bless your heart) The Qur’an is written in CLASSIC Arabic, very different than Modern Arabic… much like trying to read Middle English compared to Modern English… Further more only 15-20% of Muslims are Arabs, so your Fr. Matt may want to brush up on his knowledge a bit.
Kudos to AT and allyHM. I applaud your posts here, I can’t imagine how anyone could defend Islam.
I would never profess to be any kind of expert on Islam or the Qu’ran. But I am a news junkie and every day for the past 2 decades I have been besieged with stories about Muslims perpetrating violence against people of all religions in every region of the world. I can’t imagine a “religion” being more intolerant or more violent. In Iraq, Shia and Sunni neighbors even turned on each other because they didn’t practice exactly the same form of Islam. And the atrocities the religion places on Muslim women – just that one aspect of the accepted daily life is as despicable as it can be. Burqas, honor killings, forbidding them to be educated, not allowing them to drive or walk out of the house unaccompanied by a male family member, forced marriage of 12 year olds to 40 year old men – it’s despicable.
It’s not a religion. It’s an excuse for evil. If Satan himself devised a practiced religion, it would look just like Islam.
AndrewK… How very ignorant and intolerant of you… Again… CULTURE vs. RELIGION. Women in Turkey are not forced to live under the same stringent CULTURAL expectations as women in Saudi Arabia… You may find it interesting that the news stories you so faithfully watch program 57% of their coverage of Islam in a negative light (Stats provided by Gallup)… Here’s a link to some facts and stuff… http://www.gallup.com/press/104209/who-speaks-islam-what-billion-muslims-really-think.aspx
This is a really good film, I suggest anyone who wants a clear view of Islam should watch it… http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/inside_islam_what_a_billion_muslims_really_think
So if the 1.3 BILLION Muslims worldwide were so hellbent and determined to kill off all the Christians and Jews don’t you think they would have done it by now?
BTW… Just to illustrate the perversion of the cultural interpretations of the Qur’an…The ONLY mention of women covering themselves is a verse that says women should be modest and cover their bosoms… that’s a far cry from a burka don’t you think?
WU – Again, you’re missing my point. Only now, instead of a “Well the book is peaceful” argument, you’re switching to an “Everyone else was just as bad!” argument. Also fallacious.
Here’s the problem with that argument: the word “was.” Islam still IS killing in the name of conquest (and in many other facets of their ideology).
You attempt to contrast it to Vietnam and Japan. I say this not out of mockery, but out of genuine concern for your understanding of history: perhaps you should seriously contemplate withdrawing from your 200-level Islam Apologist course, and switch to a general history one. Because for you to make that statement in defense of Islam is beyond absurd.
America indeed killed many Vietnamese and Japanese – but not out of conquest. Not to subjugate their populations. Not to force them to become Americans and then oppress them when they do. Islam, however, has done and continues to do all of those things. Do you deny this?
You further posit that Islam wasn’t the first to come up with honor killings and stoning – and that’s true. But here’s the question you’re not addressing: Why are they still doing it today?
Do Americans stone their women for adultery? Do Russians? Do Germans? Do Australians? No. Because, as cultures, we all figured out that there’s something very very wrong with that kind of thing. So we don’t do it anymore. Islam does. EVERY SINGLE DAY Islam is doing that kind of thing. Again, do you deny this?
I mean, do you realize the fundamental problem with that argument, WU? If your ancestors owned slaves a few centuries ago, would that make it OK for you to own slaves today? Would you justify it by saying, “Well, other cultures have owned slaves. It’s not like I invented it.” Of course not. It’d be absurd. Why? Because it has nothing to do with you or your ancestors or what they used to do; it has to do with the fact that slavery is WRONG. So is honor killing; and so is stoning to death a prostitute. I mean, you get that, right?
So, with that, I again direct the question to you: why are you OK with Islam and what it does today? Why are you tolerant of it, and why are you trying to justify it? Because make no mistake, WU – in order to defend Islam, you HAVE TO JUSTIFY what Islam does.
Can you?
I have just reread my post, and I don’t see where I’m being “intolerant.” I stated what it is that Muslims do to women, and I said it’s bad. I stated that Sunnis and Shia blow each other up. I said the religion – which drives the culture – are violent and oppressive.
These are facts. Facts that are completely indefensible.
I think the Allah editorial cartoon protests a couple years ago perfectly encapsulated all that is wrong with Islam. The cartoon showed Allah with a bomb on his head, stating that Islam is violent. So thousands upon thousands of Muslims protested the cartoon by taking to the streets and being, well, violent. And I’m sure they completely missed the irony.
True or false, WakeUp – the culture of modern Islam is violent. It seems pretty clear to me.
“So if the 1.3 BILLION Muslims worldwide were so hellbent and determined to kill off all the Christians and Jews don’t you think they would have done it by now?”
They haven’t succeeded, but they sure as hell are giving it everything they’ve got.
The Taliban are Muslims. Al Qaeda are Muslims. Most of the Middle Easterners that are blowing each other up are Muslims. Those who want to wipe Israel off the map are Muslims. The Arabs who took down the Trade Center were Muslims. The people blowing up embassies, buses, markets, airplanes and whatever else they think they can get past security with detonation vests are Muslims. Is it their “culture” or their “religion” that compels them to do it? I don’t give a rip. They’re doing it. And I will never understand it.
I’m intolerant of murderers. Yes, I am. And if I was born into a religion where so many of my “brothers” made it their mission to kill as many innocent people as possible unprovoked, I would disown the religion. So even “peaceful” Muslims who defend these practices should be ashamed of themselves. It’s not a religion/culture of peace, it’s a religion where perhaps a small percentage of Muslims perpetrate the murders, but the rest of the world’s Muslims are accessories to the murders.
Okay, NOW I’m being intolerant, yes, I am. Because Muslims want me and my family dead. They declared war on MY culture.
But I’m not the one being ignorant. I’m just stating the facts.
OMW, WakeUp: you really need to think before you type. Fr. Matt, who lived the better portion of his life in Jordan and has studied the Quran and other Arabic writings intensely, reads and understands both classic and modern Arabic. The reaction of the Imam is enough to prove that Fr. Matt knew whereof he spoke on that occasion. You really should shy away from assumptions, love. Once again, you have come to a gun fight with a knife. AT is also right: you can’t actually defend the Quran so now you are falling back on the “everybody else did it, too!” argument, which is juvenile and has no place in a discussion where critical thinking is expected and employed. Tell you what: the next time you can produce evidence of at least 5 honor killings perpetrated by Christians on their own daughters within a 6-month period, I’ll capitulate to your “Christians are just as bad as Mulsims” theory. If I were a betting woman (which I’m not), I would bet that I can find 5 or more of the same within the Muslim CULTURE (to use YOUR word) in that same timeframe.
Is grounding the same as “honor killing”? My daughter thinks so.
Paranoia and ignorance is not attractive… No wonder liberals find us intolerable… sigh… Enjoy your bliss… Stick a fork in me I’m done with the secondhand account of Islam armchair quarterbacking displayed here… Any of you all actually lived in a country with a dominant Muslim population? I have, Egypt and Nigeria… And OMG I have lived to type about it… must be some kind of abnormality… ALERT THE PRESS!
http://news.yahoo.com/penn-judge-muslims-allowed-attack-people-insulting-mohammad-210000330.html
Have you seen this? Wow… For those of you who think Sharia could never happen here. Scary.
Wakeup:
Nice. You can’t refute what AT and I (and others) are saying, so WE are paranoid and ignorant. If you really are a conservative (which is truly hard for me to imagine), then I feel sorry for you since you must have this ongoing raging battle inside of you what with all the opposing viewpoints. So, yeah, you ARE done. When you can’t form a cogent argument, and when your saracasm and change of tactics fails you, you are definitely done.
You can not separate a religion from its culture. Here are governments condemning the practice of female genital mutilation, only to have Islamic teachers insist on furthering the practice.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm
So is this activity religious, or cultural?
Kathy, here in Oklahoma we just had an anti-sharia initiative voted in by the people thrown out in court because…No court case could be shown to have made this a necessary consideration, and was thus biased and discriminatory. That’s allright. We have been fighting for out immigration statutes for quite some time now, we are not scared of court. Something tells me this case will be included in further defense of our just and proper law!